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I learnt a valuable lesson recently with a staff member we employed, only to discover how little work the staff member was doing.  That lesson is to always check out the references of the person.  I think there is a tendency, particularly within the legal profession in South Africa, for people to always believe it is going to cause offence or difficulty, to phone the previous employer for a reference.  Instead, we tend to automatically assume that the attorney or secretary is highly regarded in the workplace, well trained and worthy of hiring.  Often, what you get instead, is somebody else’s lemon – somebody that they could not wait to get rid of and that person leaves a trail of destruction, from one firm to another with each firm snapping them up and deciding not to phone the previous employer to find out whether the person is a good employee or not.  

I think due to my writing of my Legalnewsletter which attorneys can join at www.legalnewsletter.co.za, people have automatically assumed over the years that my staff members are all top class and well trained and so I have certainly lost staff on that basis too.  In one notable case, the employment agency phoned me up after about a week to say that the new attorney was furious, that the person they hired from my offices was incapable, had no idea of litigation and had no idea what a serious injury was either.  They asked if I would be so kind as to just give them a letter for the attorney who had hired her confirming that the secretary concerned had been trained in those fields.  I explained, in no uncertain terms, that firstly the staff member had been taken away from my firm without anybody phoning me in the first place, and that I was certainly not going to now, to try and protect the agent’s commission, give an endorsement.  I explained that the secretary concerned had worked in my bill of cost department, and had never worked in litigation and had never been trained in anything to do with litigation or serious injuries, because that is not the department in which she worked!  It is amazing how often people will exaggerate their role in their CV and prospective employers simply see a name, assume that everybody that comes from that firm has been well trained or is a superstar and snaps them up.  The reality is that every business has its weak employees and the better employees are normally well looked after and are not looking around for jobs.  

In any event, in my most recent reminder of this, we discovered to our bitter cost, when the staff member responsible for checking up references waited until the person had done a considerable amount of damage in a relatively short time, before she phoned up the previous employer.  The previous law firm in no time at all told us that they would never hire the individual ever again and as luck would have it, that individual is now off to a new law firm where they oversee even more files than they were at my firm!  An advocate friend of mine told me that the previous firm was probably laughing at us – and I said to him while it was true, the person concerned had spent 7 times longer at that firm than they did at my firm – so I am not sure how loud they would be laughing!

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Zanell  said:
on Friday 09-Dec-16 08:54 AM
Other employees will always notice when somebody is lazy or not capable of doing their jobs before the employer, the sad part is that they always get away with it and will just go do the same thing at another firm

Nicolle  said:
on Thursday 08-Dec-16 12:12 PM
You know the people that say to you they have 15 years experience when they mean one year 15 times? They literally repeat themselves year, after year, after year.

Tamaryn M  said:
on Wednesday 07-Dec-16 05:12 PM
It will only ever be a matter of time before a person is caught out for misrepresenting themselves or for being dishonest in their CV. Rather be upfront in the beginning and that way nothing has to "come out" down the line putting everyone, including the employer and the employee, in a very difficult position. Employers should also be checking references though so that they are not caught short in the end. In this strange world, it's better to be safe than sorry.

Thabitha  said:
on Wednesday 07-Dec-16 07:23 AM
Being dishonest about what you are good at you are killing yourself and your profession rather look for a long time do not lie, like any other firms you have best employees and you also have those once they mustn't judge or laugh at you that is normality.

Liesl  said:
on Tuesday 06-Dec-16 04:54 PM
Honesty is the best policy. It's scary to see how many people are dishonest and unfortunately one only finds out once the damage has been done

Nicky  said:
on Tuesday 06-Dec-16 04:53 PM
I think that a reference is a more reliable source of the potential employee as what the actual CV is, provided that the reference is a reliable and objective reference and also not a family member; neighbor etc.

Nikita  said:
on Tuesday 06-Dec-16 04:53 PM
I think it is always important to check references! I think in this day and age where the jobs are so scarce people will go to extremes to secure a job - this includes exaggerating or lying on ones CV. The truth will always come out.

Tersia  said:
on Tuesday 06-Dec-16 03:22 PM
I think that if one is that bad at her/his work they should be made aware of it, instead of the employer running to everybody else complaining about the employee. That is just my thought. It is quite sad that so many people overreact on their CV's - if you put something on there you must be sure that it's the truth or that you strive to be who you made out to be.

It also shows you that if you lie to one company the odds are good that other companies and people will found out about it, as people tend to talk a lot.

Cornelie  said:
on Tuesday 06-Dec-16 03:02 PM

A person can lie so much on a CV until they have been hired then all that you can do is to regret that you have hired that person that is why there is a 3 months probation period to see if the person is cable of working hard. Then you get people who really deserve a chance to work at that place which will not get the employment as the liars CV seems more sufficient. So sad.

Anna  said:
on Tuesday 06-Dec-16 02:31 PM
I've given references for members of staff that I have worked with at several different firms and one has to hope that those people live up to the reference you have provided them with. One person was extremely distressed when I was honest about the amount of leave (sick and annual) he took and could not believe I didn't cover for him. The truth will always out and I, for one, will not look like a fool when I provide someone with a reference as it is a reflection on my opinion of that person's work ethic and capabilities.

Jolene   said:
on Tuesday 06-Dec-16 12:39 PM
Definitely agree with this blog, a hard lesson to learn is that just because someone is from a respectable firm doesnt mean they are well trained or hard working. They left for a reason and before you hire them you should figure out what that reason is. Like Nina said do some background investigation and speak to a manager or a head of the department and not only to the references listed.

If you lie, the truth will come out sooner or later, you can only hide incompetence and laziness for so long&

Brenda van den Bergh  said:
on Tuesday 06-Dec-16 12:06 PM
In today's times it is extremely difficult to obtain a job in our country and therefore people will go to extreme depths to get themselves into a place even if they have to go as far as falsifying their expertise. What they don't realise is, is that that company where you have now applied to work will expert you to excel in what you have claimed you have experience in, and should you not do so, it will only tarnish your reputation further and you will find yourself in a situation where you will not be able to obtain secure employment anywhere at all. I would rather walk into a firm with integrity and pride, than walk in under false pretenses.

Sarah  said:
on Tuesday 06-Dec-16 11:48 AM
Rather be honest and open on your CV. The truth always comes out. I think checking out the references is very important. I agree with David comment. Sometimes people are hard workers but no one ever recognizes their hard work, so they stop going the extra mile.

tamzyn  said:
on Tuesday 06-Dec-16 11:09 AM
It is very sad that people think they can get away with lying on their CV, especially when it is such an easy lie to get caught out on. If you make claims on your CV it seems very obvious that your new employer will expect to see these skills/ knowledge from the get go. I am sure many valuable lessons were learnt from this awful experience.

Zindy  said:
on Tuesday 06-Dec-16 10:39 AM
You are just shooting yourself in the foot by lying as when the time arrives to preform a task you claim you have previous experience in then you become a liar. Tell a lie once and all your truths become questionable.

Angelique P  said:
on Tuesday 06-Dec-16 09:45 AM
I think its very good to check their reference before the employer hires them.
These day people will do/say anything to get a job. Unfortunately there are lots of people that are slackers they only want to sit and do nothing and receive money but they are not willing to work hard.
They only make it difficult for themselves, obviously the employer will see that you are a slacker and then be jobless again. It is always good to be honest and to work hard.

Michelle  said:
on Tuesday 06-Dec-16 09:30 AM
These days you cant really trust anyone anymore. It is really important to double check someone's background before hiring them, especially since people are so desperate for work. Companies can easily get a bad name just because of one employee not doing their work and once a place have a bad name it is difficult to get back up again. But it is shocking how people can lie and think they can get away with it.

Helen  said:
on Tuesday 06-Dec-16 09:18 AM
References from previous work places is very important point to take in consideration before giving potential staff member position, like Juliet said in her comment 3 references should be enough. But what I have notices even references can not help much to see what staff member capable of doing. First 3 months are very important, the probation period. And it is very sad that majority of people lie about their experience, don't they understand that any lie will eventually come out!!!

Mathilda  said:
on Tuesday 06-Dec-16 09:07 AM
I just think its so ridiculous for people to lie on their CVs, I mean obviously your employer will notice with time that you can't actually do what you claim on you CV.
I just think its so important to phone the previous employer before you just give someone the job

Suzanne  said:
on Tuesday 06-Dec-16 09:05 AM
As Alexis said, people lie all the time and will do anything to get the job they want. Unfortunately, getting the job is only a very small part of it - you need to perform as expected of you and if you don't (especially on numerous occasions) you will get a bad reputation. In turn, you will be kicking yourself as it will become harder to convince people to hire you. Rather be honest, get the job that suits your skill set and kill it!

Nina  said:
on Tuesday 06-Dec-16 09:05 AM
I think it is very important to phone refrences, and not only those refrences on the candidate's CV. I think sometimes you should follow a different path when trying to obtain info about a person and how they performed at their previous work place. Maybe just phone the companies general phone number and ask to be put through to someone that worked with that person and maybe you will speak to someone that is actually not on their CV as a reference and in that way obtain more information.

Lucretia  said:
on Tuesday 06-Dec-16 09:02 AM
There is an old saying, "none are so blind as those who do not wish to see". Sometimes you also get employers who turn a blind eye when they want too until the pawpaw hits the fan. I do agree that there are people out their who lie on their CV's and, therefore, it is of the utmost importance that references are checked regardless of your status or position.

Ashleigh  said:
on Tuesday 06-Dec-16 08:52 AM
Yes people do lie because they are desperate for jobs nowadays. People are getting jobs even without knowing what that job entitles but they getting that job because its an available position and salary. The job that they do actually have experience in has no available positions and or their are 10 people fighting for that same position. Its like people are stealing and murdering for money to feed their family out of desperation. I also think that you cannot always rely on references as well because some employers are bitter with the employee for leaving and will not give a good reference as well so its also something that cannot be relied on completely as well. That's why its important for Employees to get reference letters before they leave their jobs. Its also good when companies do things such as employee of the month so that those certificates can be submitted with their cv. That way when you phone for a reference, you have those letters with the cv and you are able to confirm those letters and or certificates with their previous company. I believe that you should work to your full potential so that you can get the experience required and the acknowledgement of the employer so that in the end those good references will secure your future with a job.

Daniella  said:
on Tuesday 06-Dec-16 08:49 AM
People who lie on their CV aren't to be trusted. Honesty is the most important when working for a company. But you would find that the people that aren't hard working are usually the people lying in their Cv's. also at the end of the day you get hard workers that want to learn more and grow with a company.

Brenda Du Toit  said:
on Tuesday 06-Dec-16 08:45 AM
Yes some people will not be honest on they CV because they are desperate for a JOB. But like I always say rather be upfront on your CV because people is going to notice that what you said on your CV is not true.They are going to phone your previous companies for references and if your reputation is going to be bad at the one company it will always follow you wherever you go.

patrick  said:
on Tuesday 06-Dec-16 08:41 AM
these is but some of the things that we put in our cv's and others prospective employers buys without verification which is wrong.lies in a c.v are regarded as a serious offence in other countries and for an employer not to verify aswell is also not good enough.it is fraud because you are creating an impression which in reality does not exist. As indicated in any firm there are good ones and bad ones.

Clare  said:
on Tuesday 06-Dec-16 08:36 AM
I have to say that i am so sick of people giving hard works so much issues, Today its not about how hard your work its more on how you look and it is sad. I know so many people that do lie but they are trying to get a Job yes they Slack but some hard works slack to because they go the Extra mile and get treated so negatively that they don't want to work anymore so i also say that if you want hard works you need to keep them happy as Well just like the Words of Richard Branston.

Lourien  said:
on Tuesday 06-Dec-16 08:36 AM
Its always interesting to see how people are in their interviews and how they actually perform in their work roll. Sometimes they are brilliant candidates and their cv's and experience is perfect for the position that you need to fill, but I have also heard of a few people that went and did research and read up on everything there is to know about a position they are applying for and this was even in the legal field, you get books and notes for some legal secretarial positions and it gives you points on everything you need to know, and those people got the positions and learned "on the job". So today its so difficult to know if they actually have experience in the position they are applying for and it just shows that you really need to phone the previous employer and make sure that is actually the experience they had that's on their cv.

Juliet  said:
on Tuesday 06-Dec-16 08:33 AM
Checking references is crucial when deciding to hire someone. You should always check at least 3 references per potential new employee and always phone a landline because they could put family members' numbers on their CVs as references. Also always get a recent pay slip because people lie about how much they are currently earning to try and get a big increase when they move jobs.

I believe a good work ethic is crucial if you want to be successful. You simply will not be successful if you take chances and are dishonest about what you do in the workplace.

charlotte  said:
on Tuesday 06-Dec-16 08:32 AM
It is always better to be upfront an honest on your CV. Once a bad apple, always a bad apple. And once you have a bad reputation, it will always follow you wherever you go.

Angelique J  said:
on Tuesday 06-Dec-16 08:31 AM
I agree with David. If big CEO's of SABC etc lie about their qualifications clearly other people think they can get away with it too. It is definitely up to HR to get references. It is however sad, when you work for a firm for a long time and work hard and then don't end up getting a reference at all - I've seen it happen to friends/family time and time again; either they weren't that great of an employee or someone is bitter. I just think that if you are treated well and looked after due to you having a strong work ethic that you won't really look around for another job in the first place, but I guess everyone has their reasons etc. The truth always comes out.

Natasha   said:
on Tuesday 06-Dec-16 08:24 AM
Some people take a lot of changes and don't tell the truth because they maybe know you are not going to phone for a reference or so on .Its ridiculous how some peoples minds work and if they don't work at one firm who says they are going to work at the next firm

Jessica Apfel   said:
on Tuesday 06-Dec-16 08:22 AM
It is evident that you cannot take a persons CV at face value. I suppose it is also up to the HR personnel within a firm or the person responsible for the hiring to do an adequate background check first! That being said, a person who lies about their credentials will have it catch up to them in due course.

Melissa  said:
on Tuesday 06-Dec-16 08:21 AM
It is always better to check out the reference of that person, to prevent problems at a later stage. It is always easier for people to put a whole lot of bull on their CV and at the end of the day that person knows nothing, and they think they can get away with that...what a joke!

Jessica M  said:
on Tuesday 06-Dec-16 08:20 AM
Well now, this is sad and I agree people saying they can do things and can't is only making their names worse. One thing I know is if you base your career on a lie, it is doomed to fail.

David  said:
on Tuesday 06-Dec-16 08:19 AM
you get slackers, and hard workers in every single field.
why would the legal profession be any different?

Alexis  said:
on Tuesday 06-Dec-16 08:16 AM
People lie all the time....the fact of the matter is, in this day and age, you need to double check. AND it is ridiculous for people to think that they can get away with it. What did you think was going to happen when you started working and knew nothing about nothing....i mean really!

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