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The Department of Trade and Industry has published national norms and standards relating to the national liquor requirements. They deal with, amongst other things, a minimum drinking age for South Africa and on 20 May 2015 the Department issued a general notice outlining the national liquor policy and inviting public comment. In this document the legal age for drinking is raised from 18 to 21 and apparently this is causing a lot of consternation. I could only imagine it would put half the nightclubs in town out of business, because in South Africa there seem to be very few people past the age of 21 who go to clubs even infrequently, although it is more common overseas for people to continue to go to nightclubs occasionally. I am not sure if it is because everyone grows up too quickly in South Africa or what the reason is, but there are many countries that have a drinking age limit of 21 – the United States for example, where people only start going to clubs after 21.
I wonder what your opinion on that is, because my personal opinion is that although it is a good idea, it is unworkable. We need to recognise that alcohol is a drug and it is just as dangerous as many drugs that are “illegal”. There is a reason that they try to prohibit it in the United States in the 1920s, but they could never succeed with something like that. I don’t think you will be able to stop an 18 or 19 year old drinking, but you will certainly be able to make it harder for them to buy the alcohol and you will certainly be able to make it harder for them, for example, to get served drinks in a nightclub. It will no doubt reduce many deaths on our roads and so there certainly would be some benefits. The negatives to me are just the fact that it is really unlikely to be controlled and it is going to be yet another example in South Africa of the most amazing legislation where we tackle every problem under the sun and spend half of our lives looking at attorneys’ fees and other issues, but where we are not actually tackling the real problems of the country. In addition, it will be impossible to enforce like many of our wonderful laws. I took my niece out to a nightclub in the heart of Sandton last year and left after about 20 minutes, because I think she was the only person above 18 in the club, apart from the bartenders, the bouncers and management. So I don’t think we are doing a very good job right now of enforcing a no drinking under age 18, because from what I saw in the heart of the most powerful economic city in South Africa, with no shortage of police, was not 19 years old drinking, but a whole bunch of 15 and 16 year olds drinking alcohol in a nightclub.
Posted by Michael de Broglio on Friday 22-Jan-16
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Jolene said:
on Monday 08-Feb-16 09:17 AM
I dont think it will work perfectly but it would at least help a bit!
Alexis said:
on Monday 01-Feb-16 08:51 AM
Kids will find a way to drink regardless. Raising the age will not make a difference at all as much as it is a good idea.
Zanell said:
on Friday 29-Jan-16 02:35 PM
this would never work, children start drinking at the age of 16 anyways but good luck
Angelique said:
on Monday 25-Jan-16 10:47 AM
It might be a good idea because of other problems such as unwanted pregnancies, road accidents etc. I am not sure which nightclub you went to in Sandton but having worked at 3 nightclubs in Sandton and been a regular 'attender' they are quite strict with letting minors in. They check ID's even if you look older, these clubs would typically include Taboo, Cocoon or VIP Room. Raising the drinking age will definitely not stop minors from drinking alcohol but like you said it would make it increasingly difficult.Personally, I think it is a good idea - people should not be growing up quicker and 3 more years to start clubbing or drinking will make quite a significant difference to ones life. Can't imagine that could quite work out on varsity campuses though.
Tersia said:
on Monday 25-Jan-16 07:57 AM
I don't really think to change the legal drinking age would really help or bother those who really want to drink. A minor will somehow always get alcohol if they really want it, and somehow I think some places (for example pubs) don't really mind minors buying their alcohol either, they make money of it in the end.
Henrietta said:
on Friday 22-Jan-16 04:54 PM
I agree alcohol is just like a drug and just as dangerous. More and more people abuses it and it get worse. I don't think that changing the legal age of drink will stop underage drinking, but one can only hope that it can help some people..
Lourien said:
on Friday 22-Jan-16 04:43 PM
This might be a great idea for the long term, but I certainly do not think that it will stop under 21 year old's to drink, at the end of the day, the government should rather implement a better system on the roads to reduce all the accidents.
I personally think they should employ more Metro Police Officers and have more road blocks, specifically at night to reduce driving under the influence, they will safe more money than what they will spend on employing more officers. We have great services such as Uber that we can use these days and more people should use these safer services.
Sally said:
on Friday 22-Jan-16 04:35 PM
Alcohol abuse will always be a problem for under age, 18 or even 21 and older.
Joyce said:
on Friday 22-Jan-16 04:30 PM
I think it is good to try but I also think that this will not be able to be controlled
Charlotte Harding said:
on Friday 22-Jan-16 04:27 PM
My husband and I have decided to teach our children about the use of alcohol at an early age, as both of us grew up in homes where this was abused. When they are the right age we will introduce them to alcohol and let them have their experience, so they don't have to go out and have the first experience somewhere else where they can cause themselves harm or even worse, be involved in an accident. By the time they are old enough to go out for a jol, they will be responsible enough to know where the boundaries are.
Jessica said:
on Friday 22-Jan-16 03:55 PM
I hope they can get this right, because I also believe that if you 18 you still not wise enough to do half the stuff and do it responsibly.
Ashleigh said:
on Friday 22-Jan-16 03:48 PM
Even though it won't succeed, I agree that it should be changed to the age of 21. I think when you are over 21, you become more responsible. 18 years old is still a very childish age and you are still in school yet you are allowed to drink and drive. But like drugs is so rife and easily accessible for all ages, alcohol is the least of the worries to be honest.
Marisa said:
on Friday 22-Jan-16 03:44 PM
My mom let me start drinking young to get that part of out of my system, if teenagers parents don't allow drinking then they WILL abuse alcohol, I think 18 is a good age, as when they start drinking at the age of 18 then they will most likely be over it by the time they are 21 and start wanting to get somewhere in life and not worry about that life anymore, if they only allowed to start drinking at the age of 21 then it will be like the 18 year olds now, and take longer in life to get that part out of their systems.
i say keep it 18 and let them have fun while they still can before they have to grow up and settle down.
plus if i may add, if it is okay for 16 year olds to have children then why not okay to let 18 year olds drink? everything in south africa is allowed at the age of 18, for example, drinking, drivers license, gambling, smoking, but in america, you can get drivers license at the age of 16 and only allowed drinking at the age of 21?
Elektra said:
on Friday 22-Jan-16 03:39 PM
Nice try. At least I don't have that problem, although feeling my youth slipping away..
Mathilda said:
on Friday 22-Jan-16 03:36 PM
Nothing will stop underage drinking but I guess try and do whatever it takes
Helen said:
on Friday 22-Jan-16 03:33 PM
I think, there will be always teenagers 15 and older trying alcohol, unless there will not be any possibilities to buy in the shop. Today kids have to be very busy with hobby or other interests for them in order not to go clubbing and drinking with friends. Oh well we are all were 18 before!!!
Sinead said:
on Friday 22-Jan-16 02:31 PM
Nothing will stop underage drinking... There will always be someone that will buy for their younger brother/sister or even a parent saying 'try alcohol in the house first' rather than in an uncontrollable situation.
Anyway, I feel really old now :(
Thabitha said:
on Friday 22-Jan-16 02:19 PM
I totally agree they must and strictly stick to it
Liesl said:
on Friday 22-Jan-16 12:41 PM
Alcohol can be a problem not only in young children's lives but also in adults. Although there will always be people/children breaking the law we cannot use that as a motivation to not try what we can to curb this problem.
Jessica Apfel said:
on Friday 22-Jan-16 12:20 PM
I do not agree with uping the age of drinking, although I am aware of the harsh reality - in that many 16,17 year olds are more inclined to drink, it is often an argument of 'nature v nurture'. Those children are often a product of their environment and whether the legal limit changes they will still find a way. We are all considered an adult at the age of 18 and are 'considered' mature enough to be a driver on our busy roads and to vote in national elections (which has an impact on us all!) - to make such decisions at the age 18 would insinuate that we can make the decision to drink at the same age. Stricter management should be implored at night clubs!
Melissa P said:
on Friday 22-Jan-16 12:09 PM
This is a good idea on paper but not practical at all. Teenagers these days get older brothers and sisters to buy them alcohol and cigarettes anyway. These tendencies won't change anytime soon.
Brenda Du Toit said:
on Friday 22-Jan-16 12:02 PM
This system is not going to work if kids wants to do somthing they will do it no matter what and how many time do we see kids under the age of 21 in a bottel store or stand our side and drink. It will never change no matter what.
Juliet said:
on Friday 22-Jan-16 11:40 AM
For people who say this will not work, remember that we must all always try to improve a situation, make things safer for our children and aim to better things. As Edmund Burke said, "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." So just like child abuse will always happen we can't say a law about it won't work, we should still make that law and stick to it.
Juliet said:
on Friday 22-Jan-16 11:24 AM
We need more Mormons in this town!
Juliet said:
on Friday 22-Jan-16 11:24 AM
I think it is a good idea to try and postpone the onset of what will be for many people a lifelong addiction wrought with problems and terrible consequences. At least at 21 a person has just 3 more critical years of emotional development and we can hope that they engage with this drug more responsibly from the start compared to an 18 year old.
But yes, why oh why does anyone care about this? This is a first world problem!!! I want to know what are the plans for sanitation? For food and clean water for the people? Maslow's hierarchy of needs has to be explained to the government!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Michelle said:
on Friday 22-Jan-16 10:42 AM
Sounds like a good idea. This will definitely lower the amount of illegal drinkers, but it will not stop completely. It doesn`t matter how old you are some places will still give you alcohol to get money.
Catherine said:
on Friday 22-Jan-16 09:53 AM
This is all good in paper but not practically. So many school going pupils are always found in uniform drunk in Gandhi sq in broad day light instead of being in school learning.
So,if they cannot control schools kids how will they deal with teenagers?
Cornelie said:
on Friday 22-Jan-16 09:18 AM
They should take alcohol of the market so many lives will be saved. A lot of under 21's has friends older then them so a lot of house parties will be arranged, which might be better then they can sleep over and not drink an drive.
Nikita said:
on Friday 22-Jan-16 09:04 AM
This will never work. Look at how many kids still get their hands on cigarettes???
Brenda van den Bergh said:
on Friday 22-Jan-16 08:57 AM
In today's time, there are under age children even at the age of 13 that are already drinking. Whilst it will be more difficult to obtain alcohol in a club, it will only force the people under the age of 21 to consume alcohol at house parties etc. If one wants to drink, you will make a plan to drink whether there is a law or not. It is being done today, and I think rebellion will only increase should they increase the age limit.
Tamaryn said:
on Friday 22-Jan-16 08:53 AM
Most certainly will raise the demand for illegal ID's. Whereas the sales for those licensed to sell alcohol may drop, the currency of the criminal underworld issuing all sorts of false documentation will increase.
Clare said:
on Friday 22-Jan-16 08:44 AM
No matter how old people are if they want to something they will do what ever it take to get it. Not so long ago we found five kids between the age of 15 to 16 years old drinking out of the bottle Jack Daniels???? so yeah its not going to work.
Natasha said:
on Friday 22-Jan-16 08:37 AM
It is a good idea but it wont work most of the clubs know when there is going to be a rate and they let the under age drinkers know when the rate is taking place the under age drinkers are their most loyal customers. If they want alcohol they will get it if they are stealing it from their parents asking someone to buy for them they will get alcohol if they want it.
Chanika said:
on Friday 22-Jan-16 08:34 AM
On many occasions I have seen people at clubs who are far younger than 18. If they cannot prevent this, how successful will the enforcement of the new legal age be.
Daria said:
on Friday 22-Jan-16 08:33 AM
This is a good idea but this system is going to have to be strictly controlled and monitored.
Tamzyn said:
on Friday 22-Jan-16 08:30 AM
Without adequate enforcement people under the age of 21 (or even 18) will find a way to access alcohol.
Prishani said:
on Friday 22-Jan-16 08:30 AM
I think too many teens are used to drinking, and I think that changing the drinking age from 18 to 21 is not really going to make a difference, many teenagers well below the age of 18 are finding ways to get alcohol. Yes it will make it harder for them, but those under 21 are still going to find ways to get alcohol, whether its at a nightclub or even just from a liquor store.
Melissa said:
on Friday 22-Jan-16 08:28 AM
This is a good thing, because so many people get addicted to alcohol at a young age and they don't realize the impact it will have on them at a later stage in life when they wish they could have concentrated more on their future.
Sandra said:
on Friday 22-Jan-16 08:27 AM
I agree that the legal age drinking should be 21, but then again it would not work. The underage kids would find other means of getting alcohol in any event. And why in the first place are kids at the age of 15 or 16 in nightclubs? What does that tell us about the people owning the nightclub? Don't they have stricter precautions ?
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