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In recent years there has been a lot of evidence that much of what we rely on, to prosecute people, does not really hold up to scientific scrutiny. Apparently, not even fingerprints and certain kinds of DNA are as certain as we once believed, according to scientists. They have however said that nothing is less certain than bite marks and a recent Texas Commission has looked into bite marks and investigated the situation. Their full report is only expected to be released in February 2016, but it has already allowed some people to be set free from jail, after the dental experts in most cases have accepted that the so-called experts were wrong.
In the cases involved, the prisoners were convicted solely on the basis ultimately of bite marks, because none of the other evidence was good enough. The experts have subsequently said that because of the malleability of human skin, the same teeth actually leave different marking patterns on somebody with each bite – there is nothing consistent about somebody’s bite on human skin. Leading forensic dentists, when given photographs of skin wounds, apparently could not even agree, in many cases, as to whether or not marks were even caused by a bite. It makes one always appreciate that what we regard today as certain and as science is so often overturned later.
When I was a young candidate attorney I was sent by my principal to a man who was often quoted in the media as an expert on forensic science in South Africa, in particular with regard to criminal matters. His job was to say whether a tape recording of a call was authentic and I must say I thought the process was laughably amateur. He put the tape into a normal tape recorder and listened to it and simply because there were not any obviously edited parts to it, or pauses, he said that in his opinion the recording was genuine. There was no actual expert analysis of the tape – no rendering it through computer systems and detailed analysis – it was just his “trained expert” ear. I am sure that the tape recording was genuine, but I don’t think his process was scientific and every time I read his name in the newspaper, giving an opinion on some or other topic, in criminal matters, I wonder if the issue has been as glossily brushed over, as the tape recording of the phone call, I saw him handle.
Posted by Michael de Broglio on Tuesday 02-Feb-16
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Brumilde said:
on Friday 05-Feb-16 11:05 AM
Science is always evolving and moving forward. this is a good thing to some and bad to other
lourien said:
on Friday 05-Feb-16 08:58 AM
Its sad to think that innocent people can get convicted for something they did not do, even forensic evidence can find the wrong people guilty. We can only hope that one day forensic evidence will be fool proof.
Zanell said:
on Tuesday 02-Feb-16 05:32 PM
hmmm just to be found guilty of a bite mark and you didn't even bite anyone is crazy. Hope all those guilty people will be compensated for years lost in prison.
Ashleigh said:
on Tuesday 02-Feb-16 04:22 PM
I watched ID channels regularly and I thought that the bite was a very detailed way of catching a criminal and obviously the saliva DNA added to the proof of the bite. I would be shocked if I watched a case which convicted someone on just a bite alone and not adding the DNA from the saliva to it.
Sally said:
on Tuesday 02-Feb-16 04:13 PM
We rely on the law for justice, and still innocent people get punished due to scientists foundings not having scientific scrutiny and evidence being interpreted wrongly
Thabitha said:
on Tuesday 02-Feb-16 04:03 PM
It is unfair for innocent people to spend time in jail and have a criminal records for nothing.
Tersia said:
on Tuesday 02-Feb-16 03:54 PM
That's very interesting to think that people were convicted on a bite mark alone - it seems quite unfair as how can a bite mark be used as evidence. If innocent people are being set free then that is a good thing but what if the bite mark was the real thing then the wrong people are being set free, not really fair.
Mathilda said:
on Tuesday 02-Feb-16 03:05 PM
Hopefully technology will just keep improving forward so that the real person who committed a murder or whatever offence gets arrested the first time round and that innocent people do not have to sit in jail for something they did not commit
Jessica said:
on Tuesday 02-Feb-16 02:15 PM
Well if people do bite other people, then their should be DNA left behind that they can now use to find the criminals I guess.
Melissa said:
on Tuesday 02-Feb-16 01:11 PM
Innocent people sit in jail and guilty people are set free...corruption that's all
Charlotte Harding said:
on Tuesday 02-Feb-16 11:38 AM
I am all for scientific investigations. We sometimes watch the crime channel on DSTV and it's very interesting to see what they can find when using scientific methods. I feel that SA really lacks the scientific technology needed to do real solid investigations. We had a case in SA not so long ago where forensics really messed up the evidence because they don't have the proper tools to do their jobs adequately. Maybe we can take some lessons from those countries using scientific technology.
Sarah said:
on Tuesday 02-Feb-16 10:07 AM
It is interesting to see how technology has improved over the years. I am glad innocent people do get set free but Alexis has a point what if that is not the case?
Clare said:
on Tuesday 02-Feb-16 10:04 AM
I have to agree with Angelique you should not bite people we are not animals unless you think you are and you have some crazy animal belief.
Juliet said:
on Tuesday 02-Feb-16 09:48 AM
I think criminology is very interesting and it is amazing how today we are so impressed with one method of examining evidence and proving facts which in 10 or even 5 years time we will look back and wonder why we were such simpletons!
Daria said:
on Tuesday 02-Feb-16 09:23 AM
this type of evidence must be used very carefully, thousands of innocent people sit in jail as a result of people misinterpreting evidence.
Natasha said:
on Tuesday 02-Feb-16 09:15 AM
I think its unfair to put someone in jail for something they didn't do because while that innocent guy is sitting in jail the real guy is still out their doing what ever he is doing and more peoples lives are getting destroyed
Angelique P said:
on Tuesday 02-Feb-16 09:11 AM
It must be terrible to know that you are innocent and sitting in jail. Then after a time they proof that your are not guilty. Wasting the time of innocent people!
Brenda Du Toit said:
on Tuesday 02-Feb-16 09:10 AM
Its bad when innocent people is in Jail and the people that is actually wrong nothing happens to them.
Daniella said:
on Tuesday 02-Feb-16 09:09 AM
even though forensic dentistry doesn't hold up in court , it still helps determine other aspects of the 'attacker'
lucretia said:
on Tuesday 02-Feb-16 09:06 AM
I watched a movie recently, based on a true story, called "The Wronged Man" about a man who spent 20 years in prison for a crime he did not commit. All the evidence pointed to him and in the end, what proved his innocence was DNA that was withheld at the time of the trial. I am not sure what "kind of DNA" are not certain and I would really like to read a blog going more into detail about this.
Michelle said:
on Tuesday 02-Feb-16 09:03 AM
I can`t handle it when people served time in jail for no reason.
Liesl said:
on Tuesday 02-Feb-16 09:02 AM
It's a scary thought that one relies on the law for fair judgement, entertaining the thought that because you are innocent they will recognize it when in actual fact they often miss it and people are convicted for crimes they are not guilty of. Can one then say that the outcome is largely based on your legal representative who is sharp enough with the necessary know how to get you off. If your opponent's representative is sharper and better than yours, does that then mean your doom is signed from the start
Angelique said:
on Tuesday 02-Feb-16 08:45 AM
Moral of the story: Don't leave any bite marks - don't bite period. You are not a dog.
Alexis said:
on Tuesday 02-Feb-16 08:37 AM
I watched a series once, it was either Medical Detectives or CSI. I remember that they also used bite marks to prove that a person was guilty. I thought to myself that that was unbelievable and a bit too out of it to be true to use that as evidence. It is good that if the innocent are being set free, however what if that is not the case........
Tamaryn said:
on Tuesday 02-Feb-16 08:30 AM
The Innocence Project focuses on this type of "fool proof" evidence. In the absence of DNA lifted from saliva on or around the bite mark, there should be no convictions on bite marks alone. It should merely be one piece of the puzzle in conjunction with surrounding evidence. However, with the likes of mitacondrial DNA and familiar DNA I think science has come leaps and bounds in convicting the correct people, and setting the innocent ones free!
david said:
on Tuesday 02-Feb-16 08:19 AM
pseudo science convicting people...
incredible the number of innocent people in jail, especially in the US.
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