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LLB Degree was a post graduate degree in the past

I am one of those people that understand fully why the LLB has become an under-graduate degree, but I do think it is a pity.  Certainly, we needed a transformation of the legal profession in South Africa and dropping the requirement that you had a degree before doing the LLB made sense.  The problem is that it puts a lot of people out in the market who have no experience of working, no experience of life and have studied nothing else in their lives, other than a law degree.  

For those of you that are not familiar with the situation, in the old days if you just wanted to study a law degree without any other degree first, you would study a B.Proc.  Attorneys like me generally got a B.Com or a BA before their LLB and their LLB was a post-graduate degree which it no longer is.  In other words, you needed to have another degree before you could even do your LLB.  The top Universities only took those with the best marks into their LLB program and if you didn’t do well enough in your first degree you would go to another university to do your LLB.  In my years those that never made it into Wits went to RAU which is now the University of Johannesburg.  So you had to compete to get into Wits after school to do a degree in the first place and then plus or minus 1000 people who already had a degree would compete for 200 spots in the LLB program at Wits.  The B.Proc was unpopulatr though because it was seen as an inferior degree and so eventually it was scrapped and the LLB was made into a 4 year degree just like the B.Proc had always been that you could do without a previous degree.

The problem now is that there are 17 institutions in South Africa offering LLB degrees and they are obviously churning out too many students, many of them that are fairly weak – and I don’t just mean the students – I mean the Universities too.  In fact, four Universities have recently been informed by the Council of Higher Education that unless they improve their Bachelor of Law degrees that their accreditation will be removed.  The four Universities, whose degrees are being questioned are North West University, Walter Sisulu University, University of South Africa and University of the Free State. For example, the criticism of the Walter Sisulu University is that their programme at the University does not have enough adequate senior staff and that the majority of the staff members have the LLB as a highest qualification – which is not really good enough for them all to be teachers.  The report goes on to say that the teaching in law degree resources are inadequate, impacting negatively on the achievement of the intended outcomes of the qualifications.  

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Thabitha  said:
on Wednesday 26-Jul-17 03:15 PM
These University are taking chances they really needs to improve their quality of education especially their staff.

Joyce  said:
on Monday 24-Jul-17 04:55 PM
I think students who got LLB while it was a post graduate degree they got the degree through hard work, being brilliant students, as was deserved and think that they should be proud of their hard work

melindi  said:
on Friday 21-Jul-17 08:50 AM
One of the disadvantages of doing ones LLB degree through a correspondence institution like UNISA is that one does not get the practical experience offered at other universities, eg moot court etc. One of the advantages is that it teaches one self-discipline to push through and study even after a full day of work and how to motivate oneself. I would agree with the fact that introducing a compulsory BA degree before ones LLB will be in everyone's best interest.

brumilde  said:
on Wednesday 19-Jul-17 10:08 AM
seems they changed it to suite the needs of the few over the needs of the many, or is it the other way around... but anybody that still took the time to get a degree should be rewarded but should want to be the best

Prishani  said:
on Friday 14-Jul-17 05:01 PM
I do believe that the standard in universities need to be improved. I think the subjects and the content being taught need to be reviewed. I do also believe that the lecturers’ need to have more experience. More practical work would also be of assistance. When I completed my LLB I honestly felt that more practical training and experience in the profession would have been helpful.

Alexis  said:
on Friday 14-Jul-17 08:27 AM
The standard of education these days....best to be broad in what your intention is and safeguard yourself by learning more than most.

Liz  said:
on Thursday 13-Jul-17 08:05 AM
Although there have been issues regarding the LLB degree at the above mentioned universities many of the problems, specifically at the North- West University had a lot to do with the inequalities between the programme offerings at the Mafikeng and Potchefstroom campuses,inadequate integration and
low admission requirements with inadequate subsequent support and not necessarily with the quality of the modules and outcomes. I am not saying that the degree is completely on par but I believe with a bit of restructuring and input from the university's side, the issues will be straightened out. In my opinion a lot more practical learning needs to be implemented, in order to equip law students with the tools they need to practice one day.

Jolene   said:
on Wednesday 12-Jul-17 03:41 PM
I think it was about time for some universities to review their LLB degrees. I thought it would have been much harder, but when I look back now, it really wasn’t that hard. I am just glad I finished before the change was implemented as I can see it already causes some problems for students.

Melissa van Tellingen  said:
on Wednesday 12-Jul-17 08:33 AM
I was still in varsity when there were talks about it. I was lucky to have already started with my BCom and thereafter completed my LLB. I think it will have a great impact on all law professionals. It can only be a good thing.

Jadine Richards  said:
on Tuesday 11-Jul-17 02:57 PM
I think that having an LLB be a post-graduate degree is the best way to go about it all. I went to a great University and feel that academically everything was on par. However, I definitely think I could have done with a few more years of studying to gain more life experience and a better work ethic to have been more prepared for the real world.

Daniella  said:
on Monday 10-Jul-17 03:13 PM
The more you broaden your horizon the better opportunities await for you.

Tamaryn  said:
on Monday 10-Jul-17 09:28 AM
I have long realized that candidates from certain universities are better equipped to practice law than those of some other universities. An LLB degree was never intended to be spoon fed to students and I see how that impacts on the profession in practice from time to time. It is a handful of universities which have failed students by offering a degree which does not fully equip the candidate to practice law. I wonder why is has taken so long to attempt to regulate this though.

Angelique Jurgens  said:
on Monday 10-Jul-17 08:56 AM
UNISA has already started changing the curriculum in order to improve the program which essentially means that it might take longer to complete ones degree than you originally hoped for. It is a bit annoying but I can't be frustrated anymore - it is what it is. It also means that you did other subjects that you didn't have to do as they are now being phased out. It definitely is annoying but if it means that your degree will be accredited, then by all means. The Council of Higher Education need to make decisions and stick to it - don't say its ok that you don't need another degree to study the LLB program and then later change your mind.

Angelique P  said:
on Monday 10-Jul-17 07:19 AM
What you want to make of your career is all up to you. Surely to study gives you a big advantage but if you don't have the desire to achieve big things in life then you must be happy with second best. There are lots of people that works very hard to be where they are now. You must be willing to work hard and learn every day.

Nina  said:
on Friday 07-Jul-17 09:40 AM
I agree that the standard of the LLB degree is not what it is supposed to be. It seems like anyone that does not really know what they want to do, go and study Law because it is easy to get in and not one of the hardest degrees to finish.

Bianca N.  said:
on Friday 07-Jul-17 08:25 AM
I think that the quality of the education you receive is the most important thing to consider.

Jessica Apfel   said:
on Friday 07-Jul-17 07:31 AM
I too did an undergrad degree and am so glad that I did - it has made me a more well-rounded clerk and a mulifaceted person in general. For anyone that wishes to study Law, I would still encourage that they do an undergrad degree. The Law industry is so saturated at the moment and Candidates need to be able to set themselves apart.

Jadine E  said:
on Friday 07-Jul-17 07:05 AM
When you have studied you always need to strive to broaden your horizon when it comes to your degrees.

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